Discussion:
Who Owns The Rights To The Amiga?
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GoldenHeart
2009-04-04 11:34:53 UTC
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Ive come up with a great idea to bring the Amiga back. Is there anyone
i can contact to get the ball rolling.

I think an Amiga Set Top Box would thrash the opposition(Playstation
3, Wii, X-Box).

See my post XANADU Technologies. ;-)
Warya
2009-08-13 05:27:21 UTC
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Post by GoldenHeart
Ive come up with a great idea to bring the Amiga back. Is there anyone
i can contact to get the ball rolling.
I think an Amiga Set Top Box would thrash the opposition(Playstation
3, Wii, X-Box).
See my post XANADU Technologies. ;-)
I have a better suggestion to bring the Amiga back. Base it on something
similar to an AMD Quad FX platform. Some kind of Dual or more core CPU
setup(AMD Folx...lets help out our fellow under dog, Amigans!), and
multi CPU for Servers and hardcore gaming. Low power cores for
notebook/netbooks. Multi core processors can be configured for classic
Amiga style multitasking that made the Amiga so great in the first
place(among other things).

Graphics based on AMDs Hybrid Crossfire tech, which would reduce overall
costs of motherboard for the various models of PC. The low end computers
could use the built in graphics processor, which in itself can be
upgraded by adding RAM to the motherboard, which means low
profile(A500-1200) style systems can be made and still have immense
graphics capabilities. And of course Big Box Systems A1200T-A4000T
systems have room to upgrade with a videocard, or one can be configured
with the system prior to purchase. Portables of course can be made the
same way.

Add digital sound good optical drive tech and catweasel type floppy
controller tech to add with classic Amiga emulation(E-UAE anyone?) and
you would have an AWESOME new tech AMIGA!!!

Of course The OS would have to be programmed for X86 Tech, but I'm sure
there plenty of people out there more than capable of doing that.

My other idea was to use an ATi GPGPU as the CPU with an X86 as a
Coprocessor, but that would be too much like a Cell processor wouldn't
it? Not to mention totally wierd and hard as heck to progam for. :P

PS. If anyone DOES take this idea and run with it...can I have a Job and
some credit for its conception! LOL

This is going to be my project when I win the lottery and can quit
working at Goodyear. :)
Robert Swenson
2009-08-18 23:24:30 UTC
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Post by Warya
Post by GoldenHeart
Ive come up with a great idea to bring the Amiga back. Is there anyone
i can contact to get the ball rolling.
I think an Amiga Set Top Box would thrash the opposition(Playstation
3, Wii, X-Box).
See my post XANADU Technologies. ;-)
I have a better suggestion to bring the Amiga back. Base it on something
similar to an AMD Quad FX platform. Some kind of Dual or more core CPU
setup(AMD Folx...lets help out our fellow under dog, Amigans!), and multi
CPU for Servers and hardcore gaming. Low power cores for
notebook/netbooks. Multi core processors can be configured for classic
Amiga style multitasking that made the Amiga so great in the first
place(among other things).
Graphics based on AMDs Hybrid Crossfire tech, which would reduce overall
costs of motherboard for the various models of PC. The low end computers
could use the built in graphics processor, which in itself can be upgraded
by adding RAM to the motherboard, which means low profile(A500-1200) style
systems can be made and still have immense graphics capabilities. And of
course Big Box Systems A1200T-A4000T systems have room to upgrade with a
videocard, or one can be configured with the system prior to purchase.
Portables of course can be made the same way.
Add digital sound good optical drive tech and catweasel type floppy
controller tech to add with classic Amiga emulation(E-UAE anyone?) and you
would have an AWESOME new tech AMIGA!!!
Of course The OS would have to be programmed for X86 Tech, but I'm sure
there plenty of people out there more than capable of doing that.
My other idea was to use an ATi GPGPU as the CPU with an X86 as a
Coprocessor, but that would be too much like a Cell processor wouldn't it?
Not to mention totally wierd and hard as heck to progam for. :P
PS. If anyone DOES take this idea and run with it...can I have a Job and
some credit for its conception! LOL
This is going to be my project when I win the lottery and can quit working
at Goodyear. :)
What's the point? The Amiga has been gone too long. If you really want to do
something, be original. Come up with something totally new. Go beyond the
Amiga - not really hard to do considering it's been dead for so many years.

Nostalgia is nice, but the Amiga was never about nostalgia. It was about
ground breaking technology. The Amiga pushed the boundaries of computer
technology farther than anyone else. The Amiga had 4096 colors when the PC
had 16. The Amiga had stereo sound while the PC had a simple bleep/bloop
keyboard buzzer. The Amiga had a modern 32-bit operating system while the PC
was stuck in DOS - a clone of CP/M.

Everything about the Amiga was new, exciting, different. It was like getting
an expensive workstation for a fraction of the price.

I want something that will knock my socks off. I want the new "Amiga", not a
rehashed clone of a 25 year-old system. I want the system Jay Minor and the
rest of the team would have built if they were still around today.

The big problem with the computer industry today is that we lack
visionaries. We need someone to take charge and take us to the next level in
computing. Go beyond Windows and OSX. Most of the changes in computing for
the past 25 years have been incremental. Today's systems can still boot DOS!
It's time to go on.
Warya
2009-09-05 14:07:47 UTC
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Post by Robert Swenson
Post by Warya
Post by GoldenHeart
Ive come up with a great idea to bring the Amiga back. Is there anyone
i can contact to get the ball rolling.
I think an Amiga Set Top Box would thrash the opposition(Playstation
3, Wii, X-Box).
See my post  XANADU Technologies. ;-)
I have a better suggestion to bring the Amiga back. Base it on something
similar to an AMD Quad FX  platform. Some kind of Dual or more core CPU
setup(AMD Folx...lets help out our fellow under dog, Amigans!), and multi
CPU for Servers and hardcore gaming. Low power cores for
notebook/netbooks. Multi core processors can be configured for classic
Amiga style multitasking that made the Amiga so great in the first
place(among other things).
Graphics based on AMDs Hybrid Crossfire tech, which would reduce overall
costs of motherboard for the various models of PC. The low end computers
could use the built in graphics processor, which in itself can be upgraded
by adding RAM to the motherboard, which means low profile(A500-1200) style
systems can be made and still have immense graphics capabilities. And of
course Big Box Systems A1200T-A4000T systems have room to upgrade with a
videocard, or one can be configured with the system prior to purchase.
Portables of course can be made the same way.
Add digital sound good optical drive tech and catweasel type floppy
controller tech to add with classic Amiga emulation(E-UAE anyone?) and you
would have an AWESOME new tech AMIGA!!!
Of course The OS would have to be programmed for X86 Tech, but I'm sure
there plenty of people out there more than capable of doing that.
My other idea was to use an ATi GPGPU as the CPU with an X86 as a
Coprocessor, but that would be too much like a Cell processor wouldn't it?
Not to mention totally wierd and hard as heck to progam for. :P
PS. If anyone DOES take this idea and run with it...can I have a Job and
some credit for its conception! LOL
This is going to be my project when I win the lottery and can quit working
at Goodyear. :)
What's the point? The Amiga has been gone too long. If you really want to do
something, be original. Come up with something totally new. Go beyond the
Amiga - not really hard to do considering it's been dead for so many years.
The point is that no matter how old something is, if it was or is
good, then what's wrong with modernizing it? Look at all the remakes
of movies, automobiles, and even songs. Heck they're making a sequel
to TRON that will come out 28 years after the original? Now if a movie
that at best only had a "Cult" following can get a remake after 28
years, what's wrong with modernizing the computer most responsible for
the way computers are run today? Where did multitasking, multimedia,
and high performance gaming come from? Thank you..
Post by Robert Swenson
Nostalgia is nice, but the Amiga was never about nostalgia. It was about
ground breaking technology. The Amiga pushed the boundaries of computer
technology farther than anyone else. The Amiga had 4096 colors when the PC
had 16. The Amiga had stereo sound while the PC had a simple bleep/bloop
keyboard buzzer. The Amiga had a modern 32-bit operating system while the PC
was stuck in DOS - a clone of CP/M.
Correct and that's my point. You can make the Amiga all those things
again. You can modify an Intel, or preferably an AMD chipset with a
proprietary custom chipset specifically designed for the Amiga OS,
bring it up to current technology standards, and develop for future
standards and once again you're pushing the boundaries of technology.
Post by Robert Swenson
Everything about the Amiga was new, exciting, different. It was like getting
an expensive workstation for a fraction of the price.
With the current price and availability of X86 hardware, you're going
to get an expensive workstation at a fraction of the price.
Post by Robert Swenson
I want something that will knock my socks off. I want the new "Amiga", not a
rehashed clone of a 25 year-old system. I want the system Jay Minor and the
rest of the team would have built if they were still around today.
And this is what I am proposing. I'm not saying we should follow
Apple's lead and just use a different style BIOS(whatever they call
it, EMF I think.), on basically the same X86 hardware as a PC, but
make an entirely NEW custom chipset, much like they did for the Amiga
One, and use an X86 processor for it. Or modify something like a
hybrid crossfire capable setup so a user could expand a system to his
liking. Just use a custom built version. Remember, when the Amiga came
out, there were two other computers that were based on the Motorola
68K CPU at the time or thereabouts. The Mac and the Atari ST. And yet
it wasn't until almost what, Year 2000 before the Amiga's custom
chipset could be emulated with enough speed for it to be useful.
Post by Robert Swenson
The big problem with the computer industry today is that we lack
visionaries. We need someone to take charge and take us to the next level in
computing. Go beyond Windows and OSX.  Most of the changes in computing for
the past 25 years have been incremental. Today's systems can still boot DOS!
It's time to go on.
Right, and that's what I want to do. I want to make a system that
while based on similar hardware(for the sake of cost effectiveness and
availability), but add my own customized chipset so that once again,
you can't just copy the OS with a custom bootrom and then run the OS
on generic hardware. make it where they have to emulate everything so
that unless you have a 16+core system(which most people don't) you
can't just emulate the entire chipset and run the OS. Make it cheaper
to buy the Amiga than it would be to emulate it.

By doing that, you can make the Amiga modernized, groundbreaking, and
best of all, cost effective.
Leo
2009-09-05 16:18:55 UTC
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Post by Warya
Right, and that's what I want to do. I want to make a system that
while based on similar hardware(for the sake of cost effectiveness and
availability), but add my own customized chipset so that once again,
you can't just copy the OS with a custom bootrom and then run the OS
on generic hardware. make it where they have to emulate everything so
that unless you have a 16+core system(which most people don't) you
can't just emulate the entire chipset and run the OS. Make it cheaper
to buy the Amiga than it would be to emulate it.
By doing that, you can make the Amiga modernized, groundbreaking, and
best of all, cost effective.
What custom chipset? Doing what? Graphic? Sound? It's all done yet.
You can't make something in graphic and sound better then todays PC.
It's too late for something like this.
Warya
2009-09-06 23:16:30 UTC
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Post by Leo
Post by Warya
Right, and that's what I want to do. I want to make a system that
while based on similar hardware(for the sake of cost effectiveness and
availability), but add my own customized chipset so that once again,
you can't just copy the OS with a custom bootrom and then run the OS
on generic hardware.  make it where they have to emulate everything so
that unless you have a 16+core system(which most people don't) you
can't just emulate the entire chipset and run the OS. Make it cheaper
to buy the Amiga than it would be to emulate it.
By doing that, you can make the Amiga modernized, groundbreaking, and
best of all, cost effective.
What custom chipset? Doing what? Graphic? Sound? It's all done yet.
You can't make something in graphic and sound better then todays PC.
It's too late for something like this.
A Custom Chipset is ENTIRELY possible. Its as possible as it was 24
years ago when the Amiga graphics were planar based instead of chunky
graphics based. In fact, its entirely possible to start with even the
AA architecture, further develop it and turn it into something
rivaling todays graphics chipsets. Perhaps go with Raytrace graphics.
That's been the Holy Grail of the Intel graphics team forever. I
vaguely remember there being either raytracing software for Amiga out
there. Or at least a Raytraced demo or two. At any rate, I still feel
that Amiga's custom sound chip was the best I've ever heard, at least
as far as making demo musis...etc.

The point is, porting the Amiga to X86 hardware, IMHO, would be a
great idea for the future of Amiga. But for now, using a Mac Mini for
OS4.xx rocks!
William R. Cousert
2009-09-06 02:29:59 UTC
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Post by Warya
Post by Robert Swenson
Post by Warya
Post by GoldenHeart
Ive come up with a great idea to bring the Amiga back. Is there anyone
i can contact to get the ball rolling.
I think an Amiga Set Top Box would thrash the opposition(Playstation
3, Wii, X-Box).
See my post XANADU Technologies. ;-)
I have a better suggestion to bring the Amiga back. Base it on something
similar to an AMD Quad FX platform. Some kind of Dual or more core CPU
setup(AMD Folx...lets help out our fellow under dog, Amigans!), and multi
CPU for Servers and hardcore gaming. Low power cores for
notebook/netbooks. Multi core processors can be configured for classic
Amiga style multitasking that made the Amiga so great in the first
place(among other things).
Graphics based on AMDs Hybrid Crossfire tech, which would reduce overall
costs of motherboard for the various models of PC. The low end computers
could use the built in graphics processor, which in itself can be upgraded
by adding RAM to the motherboard, which means low profile(A500-1200) style
systems can be made and still have immense graphics capabilities. And of
course Big Box Systems A1200T-A4000T systems have room to upgrade with a
videocard, or one can be configured with the system prior to purchase.
Portables of course can be made the same way.
Add digital sound good optical drive tech and catweasel type floppy
controller tech to add with classic Amiga emulation(E-UAE anyone?) and you
would have an AWESOME new tech AMIGA!!!
Of course The OS would have to be programmed for X86 Tech, but I'm sure
there plenty of people out there more than capable of doing that.
My other idea was to use an ATi GPGPU as the CPU with an X86 as a
Coprocessor, but that would be too much like a Cell processor wouldn't it?
Not to mention totally wierd and hard as heck to progam for. :P
PS. If anyone DOES take this idea and run with it...can I have a Job and
some credit for its conception! LOL
This is going to be my project when I win the lottery and can quit working
at Goodyear. :)
What's the point? The Amiga has been gone too long. If you really want to do
something, be original. Come up with something totally new. Go beyond the
Amiga - not really hard to do considering it's been dead for so many years.
The point is that no matter how old something is, if it was or is
good, then what's wrong with modernizing it? Look at all the remakes
of movies, automobiles, and even songs. Heck they're making a sequel
to TRON that will come out 28 years after the original? Now if a movie
that at best only had a "Cult" following can get a remake after 28
years, what's wrong with modernizing the computer most responsible for
the way computers are run today? Where did multitasking, multimedia,
and high performance gaming come from? Thank you..
Post by Robert Swenson
Nostalgia is nice, but the Amiga was never about nostalgia. It was about
ground breaking technology. The Amiga pushed the boundaries of computer
technology farther than anyone else. The Amiga had 4096 colors when the PC
had 16. The Amiga had stereo sound while the PC had a simple bleep/bloop
keyboard buzzer. The Amiga had a modern 32-bit operating system while the PC
was stuck in DOS - a clone of CP/M.
Correct and that's my point. You can make the Amiga all those things
again. You can modify an Intel, or preferably an AMD chipset with a
proprietary custom chipset specifically designed for the Amiga OS,
bring it up to current technology standards, and develop for future
standards and once again you're pushing the boundaries of technology.
Post by Robert Swenson
Everything about the Amiga was new, exciting, different. It was like getting
an expensive workstation for a fraction of the price.
With the current price and availability of X86 hardware, you're going
to get an expensive workstation at a fraction of the price.
Post by Robert Swenson
I want something that will knock my socks off. I want the new "Amiga", not a
rehashed clone of a 25 year-old system. I want the system Jay Minor and the
rest of the team would have built if they were still around today.
And this is what I am proposing. I'm not saying we should follow
Apple's lead and just use a different style BIOS(whatever they call
it, EMF I think.), on basically the same X86 hardware as a PC, but
make an entirely NEW custom chipset, much like they did for the Amiga
One, and use an X86 processor for it. Or modify something like a
hybrid crossfire capable setup so a user could expand a system to his
liking. Just use a custom built version. Remember, when the Amiga came
out, there were two other computers that were based on the Motorola
68K CPU at the time or thereabouts. The Mac and the Atari ST. And yet
it wasn't until almost what, Year 2000 before the Amiga's custom
chipset could be emulated with enough speed for it to be useful.
Post by Robert Swenson
The big problem with the computer industry today is that we lack
visionaries. We need someone to take charge and take us to the next level in
computing. Go beyond Windows and OSX. Most of the changes in computing for
the past 25 years have been incremental. Today's systems can still boot DOS!
It's time to go on.
Right, and that's what I want to do. I want to make a system that
while based on similar hardware(for the sake of cost effectiveness and
availability), but add my own customized chipset so that once again,
you can't just copy the OS with a custom bootrom and then run the OS
on generic hardware. make it where they have to emulate everything so
that unless you have a 16+core system(which most people don't) you
can't just emulate the entire chipset and run the OS. Make it cheaper
to buy the Amiga than it would be to emulate it.
By doing that, you can make the Amiga modernized, groundbreaking, and
best of all, cost effective.
Sounds like a good idea. Do you have the background to make something like
this happen? If so, why not try to find some venture capitalists....
Thomas Richter
2009-09-07 06:48:41 UTC
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Post by Warya
Post by Robert Swenson
What's the point? The Amiga has been gone too long. If you really want to do
something, be original. Come up with something totally new. Go beyond the
Amiga - not really hard to do considering it's been dead for so many years.
The point is that no matter how old something is, if it was or is
good, then what's wrong with modernizing it? Look at all the remakes
of movies, automobiles, and even songs. Heck they're making a sequel
to TRON that will come out 28 years after the original? Now if a movie
that at best only had a "Cult" following can get a remake after 28
years, what's wrong with modernizing the computer most responsible for
the way computers are run today? Where did multitasking, multimedia,
and high performance gaming come from? Thank you..
Folks, first of all, it is (technologically) possible to modernize the
Amiga chipset, and the 68K CPU. The fun part is - it's currently being done:

http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php

The question is rather - is it worth it, except for nostalgic reasons
that is. The point is:

The computer market works considerably different today than it did 20
years ago. Hardware doesn't matter anymore. Software does.

Unfortunately, AmigaOs has left its best days long behind, and the days
were you could implement your own operating system and sell software for
it are over. Either it is compatible to something in existence, or you
better forget about it.

AmigaOs has quite a couple of constructional problems - it's not even a
fully functional Os as important components of such a system are simply
missing (resource management, memory protection, user management to name
the top three on my list). It is neither well-suited for some modern
developments (multicore doesn't work with Forbid() style locking in
AmigaOs for example).

Thus, the best you could do is trash it, and write it from scratch. But
then what? There is no new software being developed for it, old software
could not run on it, except for maybe in a virtual emulation box, new
software won't be written, so what's the point? If I would want to run
old Amiga games, UAE would be sufficient.


So long,
Thomas
Stan The Man
2009-09-10 20:18:23 UTC
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Post by Thomas Richter
Post by Warya
Post by Robert Swenson
What's the point? The Amiga has been gone too long. If you really want to do
something, be original. Come up with something totally new. Go beyond the
Amiga - not really hard to do considering it's been dead for so many years.
The point is that no matter how old something is, if it was or is
good, then what's wrong with modernizing it? Look at all the remakes
of movies, automobiles, and even songs. Heck they're making a sequel
to TRON that will come out 28 years after the original? Now if a movie
that at best only had a "Cult" following can get a remake after 28
years, what's wrong with modernizing the computer most responsible for
the way computers are run today? Where did multitasking, multimedia,
and high performance gaming come from? Thank you..
Folks, first of all, it is (technologically) possible to modernize the
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php
The question is rather - is it worth it, except for nostalgic reasons that
The computer market works considerably different today than it did 20
years ago. Hardware doesn't matter anymore. Software does.
Unfortunately, AmigaOs has left its best days long behind, and the days
were you could implement your own operating system and sell software for
it are over. Either it is compatible to something in existence, or you
better forget about it.
AmigaOs has quite a couple of constructional problems - it's not even a
fully functional Os as important components of such a system are simply
missing (resource management, memory protection, user management to name
the top three on my list). It is neither well-suited for some modern
developments (multicore doesn't work with Forbid() style locking in
AmigaOs for example).
Thus, the best you could do is trash it, and write it from scratch. But
then what? There is no new software being developed for it, old software
could not run on it, except for maybe in a virtual emulation box, new
software won't be written, so what's the point? If I would want to run old
Amiga games, UAE would be sufficient.
So long,
Thomas
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?

Will our great great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great grandchildren still be
using some variation of Windows on Intel compatible hardware?

This is insane!
B Sellers
2009-09-10 22:21:27 UTC
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Stan The Man wrote:

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Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.

Linux and maybe other systems will come to replace
all the present day OSes in some distant future but are
very enjoyably usable now with plenty of applications and
utilities,

later
bliss
Billsey
2009-09-11 01:01:55 UTC
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Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
Linux and maybe other systems will come to replace
all the present day OSes in some distant future but are
very enjoyably usable now with plenty of applications and
utilities,
later
bliss
Couldn't have said it better myself, Bobbie.
_______________________________________________________________________________
http://www.lulu.com/billsey
Stan The Man
2009-09-11 05:33:27 UTC
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Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren
still be using some variation of Windows on Intel compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
Linux and maybe other systems will come to replace
all the present day OSes in some distant future but are
very enjoyably usable now with plenty of applications and
utilities,
later
bliss
I've tried Linux a few times. Unfortunately it doesn't run the applications
I use.

I would love to be able to toss out Windows, but Linux just isn't there yet.
Hopefully soon....
B Sellers
2009-09-11 14:53:23 UTC
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Post by Stan The Man
Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
Linux and maybe other systems will come to replace
all the present day OSes in some distant future but are
very enjoyably usable now with plenty of applications and
utilities,
later
bliss
I've tried Linux a few times. Unfortunately it doesn't run the
applications I use.
I would love to be able to toss out Windows, but Linux just isn't there
yet. Hopefully soon....
If you've a capable platform you run Linux with Windows in a
virtual box so that you can run your Windows programs.
Otherwise you do a dual-boot and run your Windows programs
and stay off line except for doing the updates. Use the Linux side
to do your interactive stuff on the WWW.
Or if you don't want to go to the hassle off setting up a
dual boot you can use a Knoppix CD/DVD to boot the box from and
set up a preferences file on your Windows disk and then you
don't even have to have more than about a megabyte of disk
devoted to the Knoppix.
If it sounds easy it is because I used Amiga OS 1.2-3.9
and learned stuff using SCSI disks and having to learn the arcane
rules of termination and of using the RDB and making multiple
partitions.
If Gateway had the nerve & brains they would have had a
Unix running under the Amiga label with alias scripts set up to make
it easier for Arrex scripts to be used and to make AOS cli users
feel at home.
But that is the past.
Amiga and Windows are best in emulation
Linux is ok but it needs a bit more.
Have you tried Wine?

later
bliss not quite as crazy about Linux as I was about the Amiga.
Clocky
2009-09-12 03:32:02 UTC
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Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
When AmigaOS was still current it was generations ahead of anything else on
the home desktop.

Linux isn't and never has been.
B Sellers
2009-09-12 04:47:36 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
When AmigaOS was still current it was generations ahead of anything else on
the home desktop.
Linux isn't and never has been.
Who cares?
In the 1980s the Amiga was the best but it dropped behind as
others advanced. Bad management that decided to shut down the
company in the 1990s let it fall behind the curve of innovation and
eventually in the 2000s let it be passed in capabilities.
In the meantime a college student learned about how he
could create his own monolithic kernel and got Linux which was
easily hooked up with the GNU tools and commands that were being
built for another kernel that has yet to materialize. It started
out as a virtual terminal controlled system but using what had
been learned rapidly acquired a useful Graphic Desktop Environment.

As a matter of fact GNU/Linux is based on Unix and Motif there
was an early GDE. If the best practices are brought together we
need no more to have a very good operating system. Since it is
put together by programmers who do it for love and social credit
it has no company intent on hiding any defects in security or other
areas.

Other OSes might be as good especially QNX but that is
an expensive bit of work with no greater advantage for the user
than GNU/Linux. In terms of available softwares the modern Mac
OS may well be superior but again far more expensive, plus
it has a company that treats security as an accomplished thing
rather than seeing it as a continuing process of threat
awareness.

Remember Mac OS, AmigaOS and Windows all rip off PARC Xerox
and GNU/Linux pulls the threads of all these and Unix together.

Oh yes my new laptop/desktop replacement was less expensive
than any Amiga with many times the capabilities and with an x86
64 bit
GNU/Linux is as light and smooth as any Amiga and my last one was
a 2000B with a 50 MHz 68060, and a 4 Megabyte Graphics card running
AOS 3.9.

later
bliss
Gary Goldberg
2009-09-13 23:44:22 UTC
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Post by B Sellers
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
When AmigaOS was still current it was generations ahead of anything else on
the home desktop.
Linux isn't and never has been.
And Linux isn't for the average user. The "average" Linux
user is a computer professional.

But any new Amiga has to run on an Intel CPU. Power PC is dead,
not to mention compatibility problems
Billsey
2009-09-14 01:10:32 UTC
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And Linux isn't for the average user. The "average" Linux
user is a computer professional.
Nonsense, Gary. I'm a shipping and receiving clerk and I use Linux without
any problem. To quote what might be an old Southern proverb, "You shouldn't
criticize the cuisine before it's been served." In spite of its reputation,
Linux does not need to be difficult at all.
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B Sellers
2009-09-14 02:00:01 UTC
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Post by Gary Goldberg
And Linux isn't for the average user. The "average" Linux
user is a computer professional.
Nonsense, Gary. I'm a shipping and receiving clerk and I use Linux without
any problem. To quote what might be an old Southern proverb, "You shouldn't
criticize the cuisine before it's been served." In spite of its reputation,
Linux does not need to be difficult at all.
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http://www.lulu.com/billsey
I certainly manage to maintain the Mandriva 2009.1 Free
distribution fairly
well though I had a tiny bit more problems with it when I
started. But I as good
a Linux user as I was an Amiga user. I have no formal computer
education and
used to read Davy Haynie's posts on Usenet back in the day to
learn the ins and
outs of running the A1000 I had salvaged from the great Commodore
buyback..

Everything was a lot more fun in those days but the software on the
current Linux machine would make that old Amiga user that I was
cry if she
had been aware of how good things would get.

These days I don't have enough brain cells left to learn as
quickly and
happily as I did in the Amiga days and the Commodore C64 & C64/128.

Now Linux used to require a lot higher degree of skill in Command
Language Interpreter use on a Virtual Terminal or BASH shell.
With some
platforms it is still desirable but I think anyone who was really
into the
Amiga OS could easily learn the necessary stuff.

Now if you are happy with everything that can be done with an
Amiga Emulation of some type or if you still have a good working
Amiga of any denomination then use it. I am going to try to get the
old A2000b/***@50 MHz with 64 MB of ram and all the other toys
working but I may not without a new power supply or the like.
I even enjoyed some of the old games on the Amiga's
such Angband and CathAngband a lot more than I enjoy the use
of the games on Linux. But I really need the Linux as the x86
gets cheaper and cheaper so it is obvious choice at the right
price.


later
bliss
Clocky
2009-09-14 13:53:34 UTC
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Post by Gary Goldberg
Post by Clocky
Post by B Sellers
Snip
Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
Will our great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
This is insane!
Linux is better than Windows and better than Amiga used to
be.
When AmigaOS was still current it was generations ahead of anything
else on the home desktop.
Linux isn't and never has been.
And Linux isn't for the average user. The "average" Linux
user is a computer professional.
That's pure BS, Linux distros like Ubuntu are geared very much toward
average users, even novices. It's the Linux elitists (but really apologists)
that are hurting Linux the most IMO, by trying to keep Linux inaccessable.
Post by Gary Goldberg
But any new Amiga has to run on an Intel CPU. Power PC is dead,
not to mention compatibility problems
That goes without saying. I personally don't think there is any point
anymore wishing for a successful return of the Amiga brand on a computer
that is a decade ahead of anything else because that simply can't happen
anymore in this day and age.

The Amiga was the best, it should be remembered and celebrated for what it
was because that is all there is left. Not letting the Apple and IBM
revisionists paint it out of the picture is the greatest tribute we could
pay at this stage, IMO.

Thomas Richter
2009-09-11 09:01:58 UTC
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
It means that, at least unless Microsoft falls apart or does a completely stupid mistake. It's also not unlikely
that operating systems become less relevant than they were before. Many tasks are already run in the internet, and
likely more tasks will be relocated there, thus, your next generation operating system is likely called "Firefox"
or something. Thus, probably google (shudder) is taking over where Microsoft lost the track. The next gen operating
system is something like "Internet explorer on Windows", or "Firefox on windows", or "Google chrome on windows", like
it or not.
Post by Stan The Man
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great
grandchildren still be using some variation of Windows on Intel
compatible hardware?
Likely. They will likely use something that probably has all that stuff in a single chip, connect that
to a network, and starts a browser. It doesn't matter really what the hardware is this stuff runs on. And it
likely won't matter too much whether that's a Windows or not, but it's likely something based on it.
Post by Stan The Man
This is insane!
Yes. But backwards compatibility is an issue; the market won't adapt to a new hardware anymore, it's too big
already.

So long,
Thomas
Stan The Man
2009-09-11 10:04:36 UTC
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Post by Stan The Man
Does this mean we're stuck with Windows forever?
It means that, at least unless Microsoft falls apart or does a completely
stupid mistake. It's also not unlikely
that operating systems become less relevant than they were before. Many
tasks are already run in the internet, and
likely more tasks will be relocated there, thus, your next generation
operating system is likely called "Firefox"
or something. Thus, probably google (shudder) is taking over where
Microsoft lost the track. The next gen operating
system is something like "Internet explorer on Windows", or "Firefox on
windows", or "Google chrome on windows", like
it or not.
Post by Stan The Man
Will our great great great great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren
still be using some variation of Windows on Intel compatible hardware?
Likely. They will likely use something that probably has all that stuff in
a single chip, connect that
to a network, and starts a browser. It doesn't matter really what the
hardware is this stuff runs on. And it
likely won't matter too much whether that's a Windows or not, but it's
likely something based on it.
Post by Stan The Man
This is insane!
Yes. But backwards compatibility is an issue; the market won't adapt to a
new hardware anymore, it's too big
already.
I think the market could support a move to a new architecture, but only if
they support the old software via emulation while the transition takes
place.

Apple did it when they switched from 68k Macs to Power PC's running OSX and
finally Intel. Today's Macs are Macs in name only. Totally new hardware and
software.

I'd like to see most new software written in something like Java or .net
(preferably something that Microsoft doesn't control). Then it won't matter.
Simply port your environment to a new OS/CPU and your existing software will
run perfectly.
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